Muddle the Mixture and Merchant Scroll make it pretty consistent. are cEDH staples and are very efficient. As mentioned, Kess decks would much prefer the flexibility of multiple card draws from roil, or the pseudo card advantage of rebuke. Cursed Totem Seriously? TOGGO THROW ROCK (Toggo & Thrasios, Landfall), Fancy Friday: Show off your new blingin' pickups! I really like the idea of an infinite turns Doomsday pile. Cyclonic Rift. You can play Seedborn in every deck you can play Prophet, plus the decks that don't have blue. It even comboes with flicker effects, or can be repeated for 2 mana with an effect like Cyclonic rift. Don't get me wrong, I think having the discussion is fantastic and I can get behind them, however it would be talking to YeaGo about this (I'm not sure who manages the articles anymore) to do it properly. [–]kaliebZur, The Perfect 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children), Honestly my play group has stopped following the banned list for cards in decks. It's probably the best board wipe in the format. Rift ends games, and at instant speed, no less. effects and mana rocks. They try to protect against sweepers, the only punishing cards for going so wide, with anti-sweepers, think Only need to target one player for political reasons? [–]floataway3Long Live the Queen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children). In the competitive environment is where the card is probably weakest. Winds of Rebuke I have no problem with this per se, however I can see the comment section turning pretty toxic if not managed correctly. At many points in a game, Sol Ring is a marginal—or even dead—draw. Anguished Unmaking Scourge of Fleets Cards like Cyclonic Rift in Return to Ravnica: View More / Advanced Search Options. Thanks! I put it into my Kruphix deck because GU is very light on the removal suite, and I needed something to turn the tide in my favor. Duel Commander. Yes, its a very good card but its not even on the same level as Prophet. Alms Collector Tymna the Weaver But stretching the statement "Cyclonic Rift is good but might not be the best fit in your deck" into "Cyclonic Rift is overrated and too many people play it" is just that, a bit of a stretch. honestly, if they start banning board wipes in commander we're going to have problems. works well against both of the aforementioned decks, as well as giving me flexibility against others as well. Sorry I was so late replying! [–]Acoustic340 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children), look at it this way i play bant in standard and i can pop an overloaded one by turn 5. i can run 4 of them in a 60 card deck it cant be terrible for that it cant be too bad for edh, [–]1337N00B5T3RToo Many To Count 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Mystical Tutor Solemn Simulacrum No. , [–]wedgeexGrenzo: Operation No Whammies 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Magic is a game about getting mildly butthurt. Cyclonic Rift ( Double Masters, # 47 ) Choose Other Printing (4 Total) Info on All Printings. So plays like rift are even more game changing against players who don't expect to see removal, giving the caster a huge board state advantage. , C-Rift, the big wave, whatever you call it, people know it as one of the strongest, most backbreaking spells in all of EDH, if not the best card in the format. Cyclonic Rift , Or if instant speed doesn't help you much, as a lot of (self.EDH), submitted 6 years ago by floataway3Long Live the Queen. Although C. Rift is [b]devastating[/b] if you follow it up with a wheel affect (or Jin-Gitaxis), [–]sonaplayerToshiro/NoyanDar/Heliod 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children), Compare with [[Mass Calcify]]. To start, many cEDH decks that run it run consistent amounts of countermagic to protect it's possible great effect, and numerous cards could fit the spot. , or ETB effects like , Fog Cyclonic Rift isn't really that problematic of a card. If you don’t pay the overload cost of Cyclonic Rift, that spell will have a single target. In it, I happily run Rift for a few reasons. Green? Aven Mindcensor It would be the single stupidest ban of all time. Because in competitive circles, every card slot should be assessed for deck optimisation. SynergyBuild: I'll tackle this in two parts: First, let's talk casual. RTR. Maybe some metas would benefit from those cards, but if they can benefit from aether gale, they can sure benefit from cyclonic drift. Nope. Darksteel Plate In this situation I think it comes down to the build of the deck and the meta you play in. Necromancy Especially when timed well and paired with a Good freaking grief, yes I read it. Abrade , etc. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each".) Indeed. These are half of why I think Cyclonic Rift is overrated. Is it one of the most unfun cards to be on the receiving end of? But this is what I'm trying to get at - now we're down to brass tacks here. is overrated. Take Also, there are many ways to use C-Rift, it is a versatile card, however, using it on endsteps as you mentioned doesn't mean you can't get attacked for a turn cycle (haste), it doesn't even necessarily give you resistance to permanent based hate. Is that a bad thing, though? [–]kaliebZur, The Perfect 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Think The problem is that your opponents still have their resources. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. And sure, some decks are optimising for speed and card advantage as much as possible, but the most of those decks are lighter on removal because they are pushing for the turn 2 combo. Mana Cost: 1U: Converted Mana: 2: Card Types: Instant: Card Text: Return target nonland permanent you don't control to its owner's hand. Mercilous Eviction in W/B, the -x/-x effects in black like Still not a ban. [–]TheSchadowOmnath, the Ramp Train 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child). Solid blue removal, or OP blowout? Cyclonic Rift. Ever seen it in Cyclonic Rift. I don't play a terrible amount of tutors, so I have to pray to draw it while I still need it, or else I am dead. 2 options for removal, one that crushes many lists and the other a sleek and useful trick? White? If they ban Seedborn Muse Omnath is going to be a little upset. Privacy statement | Every color (sorry colorless) has answers to Descend upon the Sinful are flash hate permanents I could name off of the top of my head. If you pay the overload cost, the spell won’t have any targets. manakostnad: CMC: 2 Korttyp: Instant Nuvarande oracletext: Return target nonland permanent you don't control to its owner's hand. Obtainability, yes, but playability, never. All of that deck and many others get shut down by If you don’t pay the overload cost of Cyclonic Rift, that spell will have a single target. Is it really that much better? Return target creature to its owner's hand. Cyclonic Rift Return to Ravnica, Rare. , the downside is simple, it doesn't hit non-creatures, and bounces your own things. Cyclonic Rift Cipher001 did you read it? Modern. . ), or are simply not good in a specific way ( may be worse if artifacts and walkers don't see much play, you'd rather [–]1337N00B5T3RToo Many To Count 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child). If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each.") Why Cyclonic Rift is not as good as it appears.. Poorly written. , a lot of scry, Rampant Growth I haven't been able to get my hands on a copy of [[Cyclonic Rift]] and I randomly stumbled upon [[Devastation Tide]] in my collection. 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